*forwarded email*

 

Name Change of Persian Drive in Sunnyvale (CA) to a Hindu Name

 

It has been very nice of the Indian community to withdraw

their application, and not seek a divisive measure.  And as

noted in the Nov 13th Update (please scroll down and see

below the San Jose Mercury article),  it was a

win-win for both communities and it has set the tone for

continued peaceful and neighborly relations and cooperation

of the Indian and Iranian communities of the SF South Bay Area.

 

 

UPDATE Nov 15, 2002 (San Jose Mercury)

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/news/4525755.htm

Posted on Fri, Nov. 15, 2002 story:PUB_DESC
Sunnyvale ponders street-name clash
HINDUS WANT TO BE ON THE MAP, TOO

Mercury News
 

It's just a little ol' street in Sunnyvale, barely a mile long.

But when leaders of the Hindu Temple and Community Center asked the city to ditch Persian Drive and rename it Mandir Drive after the Hindi name for ``temple,'' it sparked an emotional feud of national pride between local Indo- and Iranian-Americans.

Sunnyvale Mayor Fred Fowler, whose city is suddenly at the center of a cultural debate, said the dispute underscores how important seemingly innocuous landmarks can be to some ethnic groups.

``What's in a name? What's so special about some signs?'' Fowler said. ``The issue is tangible recognition that the Indian community exists, and that they have an indelible mark on the city's landscape. What's in a name? Well, a heck of a lot, it turns out.''

Stunned by a sudden outburst of objections by local Iranians, the temple withdrew its proposal this week, during a drawn-out city council hearing that stretched well past midnight. But temple officials still plan to pursue their request.

Both sides say they want a compromise. But they are also equally adamant that their heritage and cultural contributions somehow be represented along the nondescript, two-lane road that abuts Highway 237.

The Hindu Temple, which has occupied a sprawling office building at 430 Persian Drive for a decade, first asked for the name change in January.

``We are 11 percent of the population of Sunnyvale, and this is one of the largest community centers in Northern California,'' said Naranji Patel, president of the temple that serves 5,300 families. ``We thought we could get recognition from the city for this, and that might bring more people to the temple, and we could leave a legacy for our children.''

Late last week, though, local Iranians got wind of the proposal to banish the historical name of their homeland from city maps. Iran was called Persia for centuries until 1935, and ``Persian'' is still used to refer to a language and ethnicity.

``The word Persian resonates with profound meaning to Iranians, the way Thomas Jefferson resonates with Americans,'' said Shahin Tabrizi, former president of the Persian Center in Berkeley. ``Persian has deep emotions for us.''

Tabrizi and others started organizing via e-mail, and on Tuesday, about 300 people attended the council meeting to explain why Persian Drive was so important.

``I saw the street the second month I was here, and I have an attachment to it,'' said Ali Salehifar of Santa Clara. ``It happens to be the only street name that I can point to and say, `This is about me.' ''

Persian Drive is an unremarkable patch of asphalt bordered by a sound wall on one side and stretches of wood fencing on the other. There are no homes or sidewalks and just a dozen businesses.

City officials say they believe that the street was renamed from Alviso to Persian Drive about 50 years ago, probably after the Persian Gulf. Other nearby streets are also named for bodies of water.

For months, the proposal faced the same sort of objections as other name changes. Nearby residents said they would be inconvenienced. And business owners complained about the cost of and headache associated with a new address.

In September, temple officials amended their request by asking to rename about two-thirds of Persian Drive, between Mathilda and Fair Oaks avenues.

Iranian-Americans say they are especially sensitive to the name change because of anti-Middle Eastern sentiment in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

``This is something where it feels like an another attack on us,'' Salehifar said.

Temple officials say they meant no disrespect. And local Iranians are grateful that the temple withdrew its request. Both sides are trying hard to be conciliatory and polite.

``We never talked with them before, and they surprised us,'' Patel said. ``We didn't want to fight with them.''

But a compromise will not be easy. City officials have suggested the temple create a private Mandir Drive on its property. Others prefer renaming Morse Avenue, adjacent to the temple. But temple officials are adamant about renaming at least a section of Persian Drive.

``What are they so attached to? The sound wall?'' temple treasurer Raj Bhanot asked of local Iranians. ``They don't come out here. They don't walk around here.''

For their part, Iranian-Americans are having trouble envisioning a solution that forces them to give up any part of Persian Drive. Susan Akbarpour, founder of an Iranian professionals networking group, said both sides have too much in common to spar over a street name.

``We can definitely come up with a solution ourselves,'' Akbarpour said. ``We don't have to have an issue like this. We are both ethnic communities contributing to the larger community, and we both want to be happy.''


Contact Michael Bazeley at mbazeley@sjmercury.com or (408) 920-5642.

 

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UPDATE NOV 13 (After Nov 12th Meeting)

> Hello friends,

> The purpose of this message is:

>

> 1) Thank each and everyone of you for your continued support,

> love, and affection. I, for one, am very proud to be part of such a community

> where weget together at times of need and see it to conclusion. Many thanks to

> everybody.

>

> 2) Give a brief report of what happened last night:

>

> The meeting started at 7:30 PM, but the council had a number of

> agendas on their plate. The majority had shown up for the name change of Persian

> Drive to Mandir Drive. The council members got to a few of their items, and

> finally started the hearings at 8:15 PM on this issue.

>

> We heard pros and cons from all sides. I say "all" sides because

> there were Indians, Persians, and most importantly businesses with their agenda.

> I have  to be honest and say some of the arguments were quite humorous, but I

> won't go into details of it.

>

> The meeting finished at 1:40 AM with the following result:

>

> The Indian temple decided to pull their application, and asked for

> more  time; which a period of 12 months was granted. After wasting eveyone's

> time, lots of energy, and a lot of valuable resources, this is a win-win-win

> decision  for the following resons:

>

> 1) Persian Drive stays as Persian Drive (WIN)

> 2) The businesses don't have to deal with the cost and headaches

> of addresschanges (WIN)

> 3) The Indian temple made lots of new friends, who are willing to

> work with them and come up with a better solution than what they had proposed

> (WIN).

>

> The only draw back is that we have to continue working on this

> until the  issue disappears for good; otherwise, we will have to revisit this for

> years to come! However, this is a small price to pay considering the

> consequences.

>

> So, in short CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL.

>

> Going forward: Let's hope that we will keep this unity,

> cooperation, and  wonderful spark that was generated on this issue. It is wonderful to

> see so  many Persians working together so well, be united, allow one another

> to speak  their minds, pull it together in a very short notice, and pull it

> through all  the way.

>

> Once again, many thanks to each and everyone of you for all your

> support. Without you, this would not have happened and the results might have

> turned out  to be different. God bless you, all.

>

> Best of regards,

> Mehrdad, better known as Mikey Joon!

>

> P.S. Please, feel free to forward this message to anybody you see

> necessary. I apologize for missing many people, but I posted to all the available

> e-mail  addresses, and the Sun Iranians alias.

__________________________________________________________________________________________________

UPDATE NOV 12

Time and Location:
  Tuesday Nov. 12, 2002  at 7:30 Sunnyvale City hall
  456 W Olive Ave, Sunnyvale, CA      408-730-7500

 
Monday Nov. 11, 2002 some Iranian had a meeting with Mayor of City of Sunnyvale and .... Tonight .. Tuesday Nov. 12, 2002 Sunnyvale Board of Supervisors ... are debating about changing **Persian Drive** Name to some Indian Name!!!
Please come and join us to KEEP the Name as it is...
 
h
 
 

Hello all,

It was so good to see so many Iranian get together on such short
notice.


This meeting is open to ALL concerned residents.  Clearly, it will
make a persons point of view more effective, if they are a Sunnyvale
resident, but that is not a requirement.  If you plan to attend, and
the more the better, please read this entire outline of our discussion
on Monday night.  What is most important if you go to the podium to
talk and we can not over-emphasis this, is to:

-Not say anything that may be considered offensive, something
as simple as using language that would say "we are this way, and they
are that way" could be construed as such.  Instead please emphasis on
what you think, without insulting  the other side.  We do not wish to
turn this to a battle of cultures.

Time and Location:
  Tonight meeting is at 7:30 and that one is at city hall
  456 W Olive Ave, Sunnvyale, CA      408-730-7500

Please be there by 7:00 so we can put our name on the list.  If you
get there prior to 7:00 please still put your name on the list.  If you
don't go to talk someone may need the slot.


So here's the plan of action:


As we discussed last night and reached a collective decision, we will
have 8 individuals, whose name appear on the "To" line, to each focus
on one or two aspects of why our community is against the propostion
to change the name of a section of a street known as Persian Drive.

Since the main reason by original petitioner to change the name had
an emotional argument, namely that her mother does not feel she is
part of the community so long as the part of the road in which her
place of worship is localted in, is renamed, it is equally important
for our group to counter this argument by stating that:

One groups recognition in a society should not come at the expense of
another group.  For this several of our representatives will focus
on this aspect.  To share our sentiment as Iranian living in bayarea
about this name change and the symbolic message that is conveyed to
our community if this change takes place. (meaning, if one community
feels more welcomed by this name change and recognized and the city
council is willing to go with that,

From a logical/rational point of view, another group will focus on:

1. Precdent that changing the name of a street will set 
   Should every block of a road be called after the group of people
   who may happen to reside in that block?
 
2. The overhead and inconveninces this approach will cause in the future

3. Based on the reason this petion was filed, if one community
   feels more welcomed by this name change, doesn't that also imply
   another community should therefore feel less welcomed?  How should
   this be interpretd by our community?

4. The impact of this on our VOTING Iranian-American residents of Sunnyvale. :-)


As a last resort, we also dicussed alternatives, for instance to rename the other end of
the Persian drive, as an exchange.  My personal reservation about any proposed
exchange is that, it must take effect concurrently.  It is important that if
we want to solve this issue with some sort of compromise, we should tie it all together.
That way the momentom our Indian friends are carrying can be leveraged to have a
fair solution.

If I forgot anything, it is due to the fact that the paper I wrote my note on along
with some email addressed were taken away, please feel free to add.


--hamid

 

 

>Dear fellow Officers and Board members,

>

>It came to my attention that there is a request of changing the name of

>It came to my attention that there is a request of changing the name of

>Persian Drive to a Hindu (religious Indian) name in Sunnyvale. There will be

>a public hearing on November 12th to pass the request of name change.

>Iranian Community in Sunnyvale should ACT now and send a letter the City

>Hall in Sunnyvale to stop the change request. I will be drafting a write-up

>by tomorrow and inform our members and other Iranian organizations about the

>upcoming public hearing.

>

>Please read the following article which was published in the recent Sun

>(Sunnyvale local newspaper) newspaper.

>

>Thanks,

>Mohammad

>

>Residents, temple still spar over name change

>By Jana Seshadri

>

>Even as the Sunnyvale City Council prepares to hold a public hearing on the

>highly contested Persian Drive name change issue on Nov. 12, the neighbors,

>business owners and the temple operators have been trying to hash out their

>issues at public forums.

>

>Ever since Feb. 12, when council members heard a request from the Sunnyvale

>Hindu temple's board of directors and authorized a street name study,

>neighborhood residents and business owners have been voicing their

>opposition to changing the name of Persian Drive.

>

>"I have a hard time understanding why the street name has to be changed,"

>said George McConnell, a resident of Willow Ranch, a mobile home park on

>Morse Avenue.

>

>McConnell attended the first of four city-sponsored public outreach meetings

>on Oct. 8 at the mobile home park. He acknowledged he was not aware of the

>temple's existence across the street until he received the city's

>notification about the issue and the meetings. However, when he went looking

>for the temple, he was able to find it, he said.

>

>The temple, founded in 1994, is located at 450 Persian Drive between Fair

>Oaks and Mathilda avenues, at the intersection of Persian Drive and Morse

>Avenue, south of Highway 237. Temple officials, backed by the Indian

>community at large, filed an application on Feb. 14 requesting that the city

>change the name of the street-the stretch between Fair Oaks and Mathilda

>Avenues only-to Mandir Drive. The word mandir, which is of ancient Sanskrit

>origin, means "temple" in several Indian languages, temple officials

>explained at the council meeting on Feb. 12.

>

>Temple officials said they had several reasons for wanting the street name

>changed.

>

>Congregation and community members-from all over the Bay Area and beyond-can

>easily find the temple if the street is named Mandir Drive, they say.

>Thousands of people visit the temple throughout the year, they say.

>

>"Everyone already knows where it is-they know how to find it," said Bruce La

>Fountain at the last public outreach meeting, held at the Sunnyvale Public

>Library on Oct. 23. La Fountain owns Spin Pro Inc., 470 Persian Dr., a

>business next door to the temple. Temple officials could improve their

>signage and make it more visible and identifiable from the freeway and major

>streets, he said.

>

>"Changing the street name will directly impact my business," La Fountain

>said at the meeting. "I own a significant piece of property here and will

>make sure this does not pass."

>

>Besides the negative impact on his business, La Fountain also feels

>conditions on Persian Drive are neither safe nor conducive to pedestrian

>traffic.

>

>"A lot of people walk on the street to get to the temple," he said. "It's

>extremely unsafe-there are no sidewalks on Persian."

>

>The overwhelming crowds at the temple cause a lot of disruption, La Fountain

>added. He said temple members and visitors use up nearly all of his parking

>spaces when their parking lot is full and are not responsible enough to

>clean up after everyone leaves.

>

>"On behalf of the temple, I apologize for their behavior," Atulya Sarin said

>at the meeting.

>

>Naranji Patel, president of the temple board, said after the meeting that he

>and other temple members have arranged to meet with La Fountain and other

>nearby business owners to hear their concerns.

>

>"We want to be a good neighbor," Patel said.

>

>Sarin-a professor of finance at Santa Clara University-said at the meeting

>that besides being a place of worship, the temple is also a community

>center, holding classes and seminars for people of all ages. Sarin said he

>and his family members often use the center for classes and activities. The

>center holds a free medical clinic at least once a week, he said.

>

>He said the temple's desire to change the street name-the term "Persian" has

>an Islamic origin-is not religiously motivated, as many of the residents

>openly stated at the meetings.

>

>"The intent is to expose the Indian culture to a larger body of Sunnyvale-to

>California," Sarin said. "This is not a religious issue."

>

>Nagesh Mehra, a Sunnyvale resident for the past 12 years, added that this is

>more of a community issue than a religious one.

>

>"The temple and cultural center are open to everyone," Mehra said. "We hold

>classes for everyone in the community."

>

>In addition to being a cultural center for the Sunnyvale community, Mehra

>said, the temple also attracts many retail stores and businesses to the

>area, which is good for the city's economy.

>

>Sarin said changing the street name would also enable temple officials to be

>more successful in garnering funds and resources. The city's support in this

>issue would help a great deal in the temple's fundraising efforts, he said

>at the meeting.

>

>The Indian community comprises almost 11 percent of the Sunnyvale

>population, he said.

>

>"We would like to claim our stake here," Sarin said, "and leave a legacy for

>our kids and grandkids."

>

>Neighborhood residents feel differently, however.

>

>"The city should just leave the street the way it is," said Joan Kuropat, a

>resident of Fulton Avenue.

>

>Lucy Castillo, another resident of Fulton Avenue, said at the meeting that

>the Korean community, which has a church on Morse Avenue behind the temple,

>is content with the street name.

>

>"Why should the Indian community want this change?" Castillo asked.

>

>Temple officials stated several different reasons for their request, but

>many of the residents continue to feel that the reasons do not warrant the

>name change.

>

>Frederick Bell, principal planner for the city, gave a presentation at each

>meeting about the general criteria and guidelines for a street name change

>study. The study usually takes several months, he said. City staff will

>explore issues such as the direct and indirect impact on businesses and

>residents, compatibility with the existing street naming system, costs, the

>length of the street, community diversity and historical significance, he

>said. Furthermore, public safety vehicles should be able to locate addresses

>with ease and not create conflicts, Bell added.

>

>Several seniors who live in the neighborhoods around the temple, such as

>Willow Ranch, Cape Cod and Fox Hollow, have voiced their concerns at

>previous meetings about public safety officials not being able to find them

>in the case of an emergency if the street name is changed.

>

>Bell said at the Oct. 23 meeting that temple officials have communicated to

>the city that they will cover costs incurred by the city if the street name

>is changed.

>"If the city does this, it's going to open up all kinds of doors for other

>street name changes-and a lot of short streets," said Werner Gans, a

>Sunnyvale resident for the past 44 years.

>

>Bell said that city staff are looking into different options, such as

>renaming a part of the street, renaming the whole street, creating a private

>driveway for the temple and naming the temple plaza.

>

>The staff will present its report and recommendations to the city council on

>Nov. 12. Council members could either vote on the issue the same evening or

>continue it to a future date, according to Bell.

>

>

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